free will...or fate?
another one of those topics that can be debated endlessly. do we have anything in our hands...do we have any choice in this existence or we are going through life as per the will of someone else...mere puppets whose strings are being controlled by someone else..
here is something from japji sahib, with which the guru granth sahib begins..
aakhan jor chupai nah jor jor na mangan den na jor..
it is not within man's power to talk or to be quiet
man has no power or choice to beg or give..
jor na jivan maran na jor, jor na raj maal man sor..
man hasno power to live or die, it is not within his power to acquire kingdoms and riches, which disturb the mind..
jor na surti gyan vichar, jor na jugti chhutai sansar..
it is not within man's power to gain understanding of knowledge of god's meditation, man has no power to find the method of freedom from world's bondage..
jis hath jor kar vekhai soe, nanak utam neech na koe..
god, in whose hands the power is, exercises it as he chooses, and beholds it, nanak(says) there is nothing good and nothing bad..
do we actually need anything more...either one accepts or one does not, eitherwe trust guru's words or we don't, maybe there is a middle ground, i don't know...the most common thing people say, "yes yes of course its all god's will but god has also given us abrain to think, to act, if we just say that everything is in god's hands then we all will be sitting idle", no one buys the fact(sometimes even i don't) that the thoughts also are given by god...don't know how much time it will take, but it is possible that we may have some kind of proof in years to come. there are some dedicated physicists who are working on it, one of them is prof. amit goswami, whose works i have read, some experiments have already been done and the results are quite positive...will post something on that later, but it is very much a possibility that science will get to Om, and agree with all that the mystics have been telling us for centuries...
here is something from japji sahib, with which the guru granth sahib begins..
aakhan jor chupai nah jor jor na mangan den na jor..
it is not within man's power to talk or to be quiet
man has no power or choice to beg or give..
jor na jivan maran na jor, jor na raj maal man sor..
man hasno power to live or die, it is not within his power to acquire kingdoms and riches, which disturb the mind..
jor na surti gyan vichar, jor na jugti chhutai sansar..
it is not within man's power to gain understanding of knowledge of god's meditation, man has no power to find the method of freedom from world's bondage..
jis hath jor kar vekhai soe, nanak utam neech na koe..
god, in whose hands the power is, exercises it as he chooses, and beholds it, nanak(says) there is nothing good and nothing bad..
do we actually need anything more...either one accepts or one does not, eitherwe trust guru's words or we don't, maybe there is a middle ground, i don't know...the most common thing people say, "yes yes of course its all god's will but god has also given us abrain to think, to act, if we just say that everything is in god's hands then we all will be sitting idle", no one buys the fact(sometimes even i don't) that the thoughts also are given by god...don't know how much time it will take, but it is possible that we may have some kind of proof in years to come. there are some dedicated physicists who are working on it, one of them is prof. amit goswami, whose works i have read, some experiments have already been done and the results are quite positive...will post something on that later, but it is very much a possibility that science will get to Om, and agree with all that the mystics have been telling us for centuries...
posted by satbirsingh at 12:20 PM
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I think fate theory could be right but i strongly feel that no matter what and how one does, He should accept responsiblity for all the action he has performed.
Like Assimov's foundation, the fate could be preprogrammed but the theory will work IFF the people try their best in that situation,
hi vicky
right you are, obviously "one" has to accept responsibility for all the actions that "one" feels he has done..there is no choice there also...i dont know abt assimov's foundation, will see if i find somethin on it, but check out the works of a neurosurgeon named libet..in short it is like consciousness or god or whatever we call it makes the choices, calls the shots..and see if you can find something by raman maharishi..no one puts down the metaphysical truths with the simplicity that he has done..
For what it's worth, some links here:
part1
part 2
part 3
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